Teaching the Tithe, Rightly Understood

  It is incumbent upon any man asserting any truth to be able to biblically defend that truth, and do so in a manner that is not unbecoming of the honest student of God’s Word.  While I have rarely preached on the subject over the last few years, I have at this place sought to stand up for this principle.  Primarily because I have a personal resentment toward any insinuation that preachers who teach the tithe are less than honest in their ministry, or are disingenuous, or should be labeled as a false teacher.  While some may disagree with our conclusions about the teachings of the text, it is irresponsible to imply that all preachers who teach the tithe to their people are dishonest with their motives, ignorant about the scriptures or are somehow not on the up and up.  Now that being said, I once again, and probably for the last time (Lord willing), want to explain the principle of the tithe rightly divided and clearly proclaimed.

1.) The Definition of the Tithe

First of all, when we are dealing with the Biblical text of the “tithe” we must not fall for the bait and switch.  We must see it’s plain simple definition.  The Biblical word, “tithe”, in Hebrew, Greek, English,  Latin, and Piglatin speaks expressly of one-tenth, or 10%.  Ten percent of mashed potatoes is a “tithe” of mashed potatoes.  Ten percent of all of the left handed footballs in the world, is a “tithe” of all the left handed footballs in the world.  Ten percent of all the dill pickles in the United States is a “tithe” of all the dill pickles in the United States.  I think you get the point.  In order to rightly understand the concept, you must stick with the clear meaning of the word.  

The problem is that the opponents of the tithe principle do not do that.  They attempt to use God’s word and their own dictionary.  While the word for “tithe” speaks of an amount, they continually want to tie to a “medium”.   They demand that the tithe is always tied to “flocks, fruits, herds, produce, grain, etc.” While the word deals with a percentage, they want it to deal with produce. Whatever the motive, they seem to very legalistically see the tithe concept tied expressly to a medium when that is simply not the case.  This is another example of what I mean when I say, we do not use the law to teach the tithe, it is they who use the law to avoid it.  The fact is that the word is speaking of the “amount of a medium“, not the “amount AND medium.”  It is the legalistic approach that demands that the definition of the word include the medium of whatever context it is nestled in.

For example, their favorite passage of scripture to tear apart; Malachi 3:8 “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. ”  Note what the scripture does not say.  The scripture does not say that they were giving “nothing”.  The rebuke of Israel was not that they weren’t giving something, the rebuke was that they weren’t giving the right “percentage.”   I find it strange that were the tithe tied to the medium, the Lord did not specify which medium it was that they were holding back.  The fact is that His rebuke was a rebuke of the amount of their giving not the medium of their giving.

Furthermore, 10 percent is 10 percent, before the law, during the law, and after the law.  Whatever else may be said, 10 per cent has not changed mathematically.  Now I have not addressed the “compulsion” to tithe yet, merely that the word tithe means 10 percent, and ten percent alone, regardless of medium, and regardless of dispensation.

2.) The Dispensation of the Tithe

The next question that we must deal with is the “when” of the tithe.  For the sake of clarity I am going to leave the Mosaic Law out of this. 

Of course we are given the example of Abraham giving 10 percent of the spoils of war to Melchizedek long before the Mosaic law was ever given.  Now those who reject this as any form of compulsion quickly point to the medium of the tithe to say it has nothing to do with us.  Once again, that’s a bait and switch discussion.  While we want to talk about the “tithe” of the treasure, they want to talk about the “kind of the treasure, or the source of the treasure.”  Now whatever else may be said, had Abraham had ten thousand bucket fulls of chicken, he would have given Melchizedek 10 percent.  Had Abraham had 4o million U.S. dollars, He would have given Melchizedek a tithe of that too.    The Bible says very plainly that Abram “gave him tithes of all.”  (uh – hmm – amount, not medium)

Let’s not miss the example given.  We have the High Priest of God receiving a “tenth” of the increase of Abraham, the “Friend of God”  Prior to the law, and not under any legal compulsion.  Freely given without hesitation.

What then does that have to do with now?  Hebrews 7:8 – “And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.”  Hebrews 7:8 is post law, and under grace.  Jesus state plainly that “the law and the prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of God is preached . . .” Luke 16:16.  Yet here in Hebrews 7:8, the writer, (Luke in my opinion) explains the difference between the earthly priests and our Great High Priest.  In his discourse concerning Christ being our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, and not after the order of the Levites, expresses the fact that “here, men that die receive tithes” referencing the law, and the Old Covenant. “but there he receiveth them of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.”  “There” being reference to priestly order of Melchizedek which comes to our Great High priest Jesus Christ, of which it is clearly taught that He that is living is still receiving “tithes”.  (amounts, not mediums) 

Our Great High Priest, “post law,” separate from the Levitical compulsion is pictured for us as being receptive to the “tithes” of increases. 

3.) The Dedication of the Tithe

There is a difference between a law and a principle.  While we are not under the law of the Mosaic system, we are clearly under the authority of all Biblical principles.  A principle is a concept, a system of thought, a fundamental idea.  The Old Testament (even apart from the law) pictures for us “principles” to learn.  The Apostle Paul explained that those things which were written aforetime were written for our learning. 

The primary problem with those people who argue with the tithe, do so from the standpoint of law, and legality.  They have rightly said that there is no “legal compulsion” in scripture for the New Testament Christian to tithe.  THEY ARE RIGHT!  There is no legal compulsion for the New Testament Christian to be in the practice of giving 10% of his income to the Lord, through the church.

Teaching the tithe rightly understood has nothing to do with “legal complusion”, but legal compulsions are not the only “compulsions” in the Bible.  We are compelled by examples.  We are compelled by patterns, We are compelled by Principles.  Because there is no legal compulsion does not mean that there is no compulsions at all!  Because there is not a legal compulsion to tithe, does not mean that there are not other compulsions within the text that lead us and direct us to do so. 

The example of Baptism carries with it all of the authority needed to practice immersion as the only Biblical method to accept!  The example of the disciples  meeting on the first day of the week is enough authority all by itself to compel us to meet on Sundays.  The principles of praying, praising and preaching, are all throughout the Bible, and are authoritative principles that formulate the structure, and substance of each, yet there are no spelled out laws.

Christians have the example and lesson of the Friend of God tithing to the High Priest of God, before and after the law.  Christians have the principle of 10 percent, being expressed as the hearts desire of God throughout the scriptures.  Christians have the simple definition of the word and concept.  Now all of that being said, “to knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”

4.) The Disagreement with the Tithe

I do not want to impune the motives of every person on planet earth that genuinely disagrees with me.  Some just do not see what I am saying, and as Paul said, “let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”  That’s just fine.  If I can talk you into it, someone else can talk you out of it.  When the Lord talks you into it, you’re there!

Some however, just simply do not want to tithe.  It’s too much.  They don’t like giving that much money “to the church.”  They have a lifestyle that would have to be downsized in order for them to practice tithing.  They are accustomed to a certain level of living and tithing infringes upon that.  Their problems are not textual, their problems are deeper than that.

Some assert that the tithe is an “undue burden.”  They will always, and I mean always attempt to use a “health issue” or “medicine need” or “food need” as the primary target against those who teach the tithe, with accusations of heartlessness, or spiritual brutality, or carelessness or whatever they want to say.  Of course they do so not understanding the spiritual purpose of the tithe, which I haven’t even gotten in to yet, and won’t here for time and space.

But I will say this.  Ten percent is not the “live or die” question that most of these men want to make it.  I have learned first hand, that I cannot afford, NOT to tithe.  The Lord makes my 80+% (after tithe and offering) go farther for my family of 6, than 94-95% seems to. The “live or die” argument is the last line of defense for those who do not like the tithe.  More often than not, that argument is intended to impune the teacher, rather than disagree with the tithe.

While I have not exhausted my full defense of the principle, I have exhausted my time allotted for posting this article.  Gone over it actually.  Lord willing, I am done with this subject.  If I had my druthers, I’d much rather see people give their hearts to Jesus, than worry about how much money people are giving to the Lord through the church.  I’ve never worried about it before, so I don’t plan on starting now.  I will however continue to teach this principle to new and growing believers as the Lord gives me opportunity.  When I realized the difference that it made in my life it was a wonderful change worth making.

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12 comments on “Teaching the Tithe, Rightly Understood

  1. I am fully pursuaded that tithing is not a commandment or a principal as a implied commandment. Paul said the first need is your home. If a man does not take care of his home first, he is worst than an infidel. No one can convince me tithing is required as a principal and here’s why I had to resign from tithing based on conviction of the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures. As long as you redefine a tithe to money instead of food, crops and cattle, you are changing the Word of God. Take a look at my study and see if you will still be fully pursuaded at

    http://www.holytithe.com/TithingPresent.pdf

    Dear Pastor;
    Grace, Mercy and Peace be unto you on this day of our Lord. Several weeks and months ago, you were informed of my theological shift from tithing to grace giving. After 30 years of tithing and pondering this matter in my heart and studying both camps who argue for and against tithing, I told you of my personal decision. Since that time, I have been buried in study about this topic and have concluded that the tithe teaching lacks scholarship and cannot be biblically proven in the New Covenant beyond a shadow of doubt. The tithe teachers in the body of Christ who force or mandate tithing would not withstand a cross-examination on a witness stand by a counsel of scholars, Elders and theologians who have studied to show themselves approved and rightly divided the Word of Truth.
    Because of my position on this matter, I realize that it has created some conflict and probably more so to the bottom line of the church. Certainly, I am aware of that. But because of my conviction, study and the Holy Spirit, I can never return to tithing under the dispensation of Grace we now live in. Again, my thoughts and heart have changed because of revealed truth. The journey to find truth on this matter started 30 years ago. I must admit that I am overjoyed the Holy Spirit can and does teach you when you seek the truth from your heart. Because tithing is no longer my position, it is unethical for me to continue in ministry and leadership. Based on your teaching and position that leaders in your church must tithe, it is unethical for you to keep me in leadership. As I have told you in the past, if I become a hindrance to you or your church and the doctrines you set forth, I would withdraw myself from all functions and duties of leadership. As a result, I requested to be put on Sabbatical until we came to a conclusion of this matter. Over the ongoing weeks and months, I’ve come to the realization that an impenetrable impasse is blocking this matter from being solved.

    Now after six months, I now realize through prayer and great trepidation that my time at XXX Church has come to an end because of forced tithing methods that are wanting. When I decided to change my theology on tithing, I did it with knowledge that I would be at odds with much of the Christian community who are simply ignorant of the biblical and secular history, the land, the language, and the literature of the Jewish Levites and Priests for whom tithing was established in the Old Testament financial system because they had no land inheritance in Canaan. When I disagreed with you, I did it in the spirit of the Berean Jews who, with great respect for Paul, did not accept Paul’s message right away but choose to search the scriptures to see if what he said was true. Since I’ve been on sabbatical, I’ve searched the scriptures, read books, examined history on this tithing issue and have found that tithe teaching as propagandized in the Body of Christ today is categorically unscriptural and is tantamount to spiritual and financial extortion akin to mafia tactics. Since I do not agree with tithing, I cannot in good conscience continue to exist at XXX Church knowing that a major difference exists between you and I on this issue. After 30 thirty years of being deceived, here are my thoughts to the body of Christ.

    My purpose for changing my mind goes to the core of a metateneo (The greek word for Repent) experience. In the spirit of the Jewish Rabbi/Student relationship, my shift also represents what most Jewish Rabbis taught their students and that is the practice of learning how to challenge, debate and argue well with their Rabbi on Torah issues. A student who never questions what their Rabbi says would not be considered an excellent student. In the spirit of my Jewish Savior Yeshua, I’ve entered this debate because this is how Jews studied and how teaching was done. By me offering my points and your offering your counter points over the bully pulpit, we will both learn more truth on this subject. As it stands today, you and I have come down on opposite sides of this argument. In my mind that is OK among theologians. As you continue to read, know that my thoughts on this issue are only directed at the doctrine of tithing and the lack of study by those who try to teach something they have never given serious study.

    In all, this situation is not so strange. It reminds me of the incident in Acts 15: 36-41 when Barnabas and Paul came into sharp dispute over the reliability of John who is also called Mark. Because of the appearance of our sharp disagreement about grace giving in the New Covenant vs. mandatory tithing under the Law of Moses in the Old Covenant, it is proper etiquette that we part company like Paul and Banarbas for now in the interest of peace and as Hebrews 12:14-15 says: 14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled. I know people will say, tithing was before the law, but make sure the people also know that Abraham was not commanded to give it, and what he tithed came from the spoils of war. Plus he was already made rich based on a promise God made to him not because God commanded him to tithe. There is no biblical record that Abraham tithed any of his personal wealth and the nail in the coffin is that the Bible records that he only tithed once and no other text records he ever tithed again. Using Abraham as proof text is somewhat weak to build a foundation of tithing for the New Covenant. I know people will say that tithing is an expression of devotion by sincere people but the fact remains, it is still a ceremonial law and an ordinance that was nailed to the Cross. Therefore tithing is low-realm, obsolete and defunct and the pontificators of tithing ultimately introduce weakness and confusion in the minds of believers.

    Let me make myself perfectly clear. If a person of their free will decides to give a percentage of their income then of course that is their decision based on Grace and not out of fear of a curse ripped from a text and given new meaning. But as soon as giving is called a tithe that’s mandated, forced, or becomes a requirement based on Malachi chapter three or Matthew chapter 23 or some other dubious implied command from the Bible, it represents poor hermeneutics and sloppy exegesis. Tithe teachers who hold Malachi 3 to the heads of God’s people like a 357 magnum and pull the trigger with a curse upon them have committed the greatest betrayal of GRACE and the work of Christ on the cross that almost rivals Judas’ betrayal of Christ with a kiss. Of everything I’ve witnessed over thirty years, no one has ever been able to explain why there are ghettos and inner cities still full of generations of tithers who remain one paycheck away from the soup kitchen. Ok, I get it, the answer has always been, they did not put their seed in the right place. Saying we’ve been blessed by tithing does not make it true Biblically. We are blessed because of the New Covenant Principles of giving, not paying tithes. None of the epistles or letters written by the Apostles instructed or exhorted New Covenant believers to tithe, not as a law, a principle or even as a voluntary practice.

    In the Old Testament tithing is compulsory and does not translate to grace giving under the New Covenant. The tithe teachers throughout history have taught tithing on a weak foundation of proof text or proof texting methodology. By definition and the verses, I’ve heard used to extract tithes from people using slick fund raising techniques over my 30 years do not understand that, “a proof text is a verse or short passage from the Bible used by someone as part of his/her proof for a doctrinal belief he wishes to substantiate to others. However, since verses and passages may rely extensively on the context in which they appear for correct interpretation, pulling these verses out their context and having them stand alone in “proof” can at times be very misleading. In addition, a set of such proof texts can completely ignore other passages which, if added to the mix, might well lead to an entire different conclusion. Someone who relies strongly only on a list of proof texts in order to make a doctrinal argument may have a very weak case for his argument. Noting that a religious teacher relies heavily on proof texting is viewed in theological circles as very negative in evaluation.” For example, after my examination Malachi 3:10 and reading the whole book in its context, the infamous verse used by many to support their tithing position fail to realize this book is not talking to or suggesting any Gentile or New Covenant believer to tithe but it speaks only to certain Israelites in the promised land. Even if tithing was actually commanded in the New Covenant (Which it is not), how can anyone teach 10 percent and not teach the other 20 percent outlined under the law. I bet no leader in Today’s church would demand 30 percent of people’s income and then ask for a free will offering to boot. In fact, if we follow this logic, to obey any part of the law and not do all of it, you are guilty and accountable for all it. For tithe teachers to prove a doctrinal point, proof text methodology is essential because it allows them to ignore the context of the whole book or chapter.

    According to the Jewish Mishnah and the Tulmad writers, tithes were always defined as everything eatable (food), and everything that was stored up or that grew out of the earth. In the Old Testament money was not a titheable commodity only crops, produce and cattle. For 1600 years after the tithe was established it remained a food item up to Mat 23:23 of Jesus’ time. And upon careful examination, the Pharisees extended the tithe of the Mosaic Law in the Tulmad to include spices of anise, cumin, and mint, which was never a part of the original Law of Moses or the first five books of the Bible.

    Biblical History and secular history on this subject is replete with examples of the tithing wars among Christian leaders that have raged over the centuries. In history, even Martin Luther Stood for salvation by grace and not confessing to a priest. We hail him for his stand, but we pass over, ignore and fail to declare the whole counsel about the man’s tithing beliefs and that he preached against tithing way back in a sermon on August 27, 1525? The title was How Christians Should Regard Moses. Here’s are some excerpts from Dr. Kelly’s book on what Luther said about Law and Grace which can be found on the internet, “The law of Moses binds only the Jews not the Gentiles. Here the Law of Moses has it place. It is no longer binding on us because it was given only to the people of Israel. And Israel accepted this law for itself and its descendants, while the Gentiles were excluded. Moses has nothing to do with us. Well will not regard him as our lawgiver–unless he agrees with both the New Testament and the natural law. For not one little period in Moses pertains to us. But the other commandments of Moses which are by nature, the Gentiles do not hold. Nor do these pertain to Gentiles, such as the TITHE and others equally fine which I wish we had done.”

    You did agree that since the New Covenant standards are higher than the Old Covenant and if you ever accepted grace giving, the minimum standard would be ten percent at the start. In the final analysis, I would have to reject that as incorrect because after Calvary there is no biblical text to support any exact percentage as at starting point in the New Testament. The principle of interpreting New Covenant Giving starting at ten percent sounds good, but it is pure assumption. The New Covenant is filled with “free-will giving principles only. Because of that, giving could range from 0 to 100 percent based on what a person has, not what a person does not have; not under compulsion or reluctantly but by ability and by the Holy Spirit’s prompting.

    After thirty years of tithing, my heart aches at the carnage of mixed messages the tithe teaching Community has left behind and the many shattered lives and new converts who will be damaged by this grace less teaching in the future.

    As I continue in search for truth, I submit this resignation with no malice because I know that tithe teachers need forgiveness too for they know not what they do. For we all are in need of the Grace of God when disputes arise.

    Shalom,

    Dr. Frank Chase Jr

  2. steward says:

    Neither frequency, nor antiquity qualifies tithing as a principle. I shouldn’t have to explain the elementary reasoning why Biblical principles are always found in the lessons, not in the exercises.

    I can offer my first fruit, give a tithe of my flock, present a heave offering of incense, make a vow, or give a freewill offering; and through many exercises learn a single principle.

    Call tithing a standard, a goal, or a discipline; but don’t classify it as a principle.

    – jared

  3. Dr Chase and Jared,

    I appreciate your comments, because they are respectful, and I in turn grant you due respect for your convictions.

    While I respect your convictions, we have different conclusions.

    Thank you for dealing with the content of this article, and not the character of it’s author.

    May God bless you as you study His Word.

  4. Robert Fox says:

    Dear Pastor Jeff Haney,

    You said: “The example of Baptism carries with it all of the authority needed to practice immersion as the only Biblical method to accept!”

    I just want to be clear. Does this mean that if someone is a Christian in every proper way you can imagine, but when he was baptized, he unknowingly and inadvertently failed to be fully dunked underwater, like for example, a hand never fully immersed, does that mean he will go to hell fire?

    And if not, what about being willful non-full immersion, say, if someone is sprinkled. Will this person risk being considered by God as non-compliant and will go to hell fire?

    I am asking the question because I believe it ties to your fundamental believe on God’s attitude.

    Thank you in advance for your response.

    • Bro. Fox,

      Thanks for visiting the blog, and asking the question.

      First of all, I will say that no Christian will be doomed to hell-fire. Baptism has absolutely nothing to do with Salvation.

      There will be people in glory who were never Baptised.
      There will be people in glory who were wrongly Baptised.
      There will be people in glory who are rightly Baptised.

      Baptism is not part of the gospel. It is part of the Great Commission, but it is not part of the Gospel.

      Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:17, “Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.”

      So whether a person is dunked, dipped, or dribbled on, is irrelevant to whether or not he is saved.

  5. Steward,
    Thank you for responding. I am thankful that you respect the differences. We all know that this discussion of pro and con tithing positions have raged since the 6th century. I can honestly say that tithing for 30 years has never contributed anything to my life based on how it has been taught in the churces I’ve been a member of. In fact, the Holy Spirit has made me a more sensitive and responsible giver since I’ve resigned from tithing. We all have our theological reasons for our positions. I could never in my heart tell any believer that they can’t afford not to tithe because I know that biblically a tithe has been and will always be crops, cattle, sheep, goats, wine, oil and grain. And because God mandated eatable things to be given as a tithe by farmers only, I or no one today has a right to change what God required as a tithe. If God said he wanted food as a tithe in the Old Testament, it is still food in the New Testament in Matthew 23:23. Jesus never added Roman money in the list. Mint Cummin and Rue (Spices) was the tithe, not money. Since God Never commuted the food tithe to money, Christians do not have the authority to over rule God’s tithing instructions in the TORAH which are eatable items. The Jewish Historian Josephsus even confirms what the tithe really is. I would love for you to take my tithing slides and put together a similar study refuting every single slide (116) of my research and post them and let the reader decide for themselves based on their own personal research. Spend an entire year as I did and dig up everything you can find to refute my study. I believe this is the way to get to the truth. We must exegetically and hermanetically study the tithe, not what has been accepted over the centuries. We must prove all things, we must study to show ourselves approved, rightly dividing the word of truth. Tithing must be understood from the Jewish perspective because if is not understood in the context of the Jews, we will without a doubt take scripture out of context which serves as a pre-text for false tithing doctrines and error. For example, Some teach that if you tithe God is going to rain down blessing on you. Some teach that if you tithe, God is going to return to you 30, 60 and 100 fold blessings. The Old testament is clear what the tithe is and who it was for. The New Testament is silent on percentages and Paul could not command or suggest a tithe be given to him or the other apostiles because they were not levites and if he did, Paul would be breaking the law. In fact, he would be stealing what God said belonged to the Priests and the Levites only. And let us not forget that the tithe also belong to the poor, widows, orphans and the stranger. If you want to call your 10 percent a tithe, then you must give it to the persons the law instructs, and that is, to the poor, the widows, the orphans and the strangers, not the church. The entire theocratic tithing system in the OT cannot be biblically reproduced in the age of the New Covenant because the tithe had specific requirements and failing to meet those requirements, God could not bless them. I cover some of this in my study, check it out.

  6. Tony Isaac says:

    Hi,

    I understand what you are trying to say but I think that defining the tithe in this way would lead to a wrong conclusion. Like you pointed out the tithe was A TENTH but equating that with 10% is wrong, they are simply not the same thing. Hence the context in which the tenth has been used is very important.

    A TENTH referred to the 10th part and I will illustrate with this example. For instance if a farmer had 10 sheep, he had to count them and separate the TENTH one as the tithe. That sheep was holy because it was THE TENTH and God gave specific instructions that the TENTH should never be exchanged even if it was good or bad. Now if the farmer had 11 sheep, the TENTH sheep still remained his tithe. It remained this way till he had 20 and then and only then do the TENTH and TWENTIETH become his tithe. If the bible truly defined the tithe as 10% that will mean that he that has 9 sheep will have to kill all of the sheep and calculate 10% of all the meat and offer this up. And this sounds quite absurd. With the crops it was a lot easier; these were simply grouped into tens and the TENTH was separated as the tithe. With this in mind, we see why the medium is relevant; this shows how impossible it is to tithe money because there is no way you can determine A TENTH of money. And no where do we find scriptures equating A TENTH to 10%.

    Again in looking at your defense of Malachi 3: 8, it is crystal clear that it is a tithe of crops being referred to here. The storehouse here refers to a granary where farm produce are kept. Verse 11 is actually the clinger – And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. This shows God was referring to a tithe of agricultural produce.

    That being said, introducing a 10% of a truth put limitations on the amounts people can give. As there may be people who may struggle to give up to that, there are also others who can give way more than that. What one really should encourage is generosity; encourage people to give as much as they are able be it 5%, 10% or a 100%.

  7. Jared,
    My commments were not toward you. It was for the person who wrote the article. I guess the got the names mixed up.

  8. Robert Fox says:

    Dear Pastor Haney,
    My question about baptism, primarily, was to gauge your reasoning abilities or inabilities. From this superficial question, it seems that you can provide a rational answer and recognize logical thinking from impulsive, dogma base reactions, that is incapable of grasping the consequences of love of God. If you would have said, “Yes, if you are not fully immersed in water and have 1 square inch of a dry body part, this loving God, who sent Jesus to the cross on your behalf, will burn you forever” I would have considered any dialog with you as a fruitless venture and a waste of time for both of us.
    You feel that a Christian is obligated to pay 10% of his income to a church based upon Old Testament principles. I am presently looking for a fellowship. It would be desirable to find a fellowship which would have ability to help me understand the direction from scriptures, in general, and someone who would be able to advise me regarding life plans. The two following cases of pastors also felt that tithing was for today.

    I have heard of one church, however, I understand that the pastor’s house burned down and he had no fire insurance. My first question to you is this, should I still consider this pastor as one who could advise me regarding making plans for my life?
    The last church I went to had a pastor that died of brain cancer. From the time he was diagnosed to the time he died was 7 months. His wife was in her early sixties. I know she had to struggle financially to keep up the house payments after he died. She told me she didn’t know why the pastor did not carry sufficient life insurance to pay for the house in case he died. My second question for you is this, should I have ask if he had life insurance sufficient to cover his house in the advent of his death, prior to seeking his help and judgment in developing my own life plans?

  9. Wife says:

    My husband may be in jeopardy of losing his job at a local “mega” church because financially we can no longer to tithe. We are 5 months behind in mortgage, past due PSEG, car repossed last year, etc…

    It is messing with our faith…

    • Tymon says:

      @wife,

      I’m just wondering: how is the giving of a tithe responsible for an overdue mortgage and PSEG, car repossession, etc, etc?? Would your story be different if you gave more than a tenth of your income as a Christian?

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